
Foye in her studio with recently cast Derby Dolls piece
Jocelyn Foye traces human movements with clay. Foye directs action,
primarily with athletes, over a bed of clay and later casts the
impressions in rubber. Foye has cast the movements of a pole dancer,
wrestlers, fencers, a Native American dancer, martial artists, and the
Goodyear Blimp. Her most recent casting comes from the movements of
two of the LA Derby Dolls, and she has plans to cast a ten-second
match of professional sumo wrestlers. Foye is interested in the
literal collision of sport and sculpture. The inherent masculinity of
athletics, the theatrical and malleable elements of sports, and the
physical traces of time are also her themes. Foye is a former
Angels Gate studio artist with close ties to the San Pedro community
and a new piece in the current AGCC gallery show. This interview
was held in her new working space on Pacific Street in San Pedro.
INTERVIEWER
Where does your work come from? What other artists are you looking at to do this work?
FOYE
I studied at the Glasgow School of Art for one semester when a show
called Sensation came through. Sarah Lucas, Damien Hirst, Rachel
Whiteread all showed work and I was really influenced and excited by
it. I go back to that group of people, that group of artists and that
exhibition. Being in Europe at that time changed my opinions about
how I could make art. At Trinity College in Hartford, there wasn’t
anything like that. There wasn’t installation design or anything. I
studied over at the Hartford Art School to get some of that education
I couldn’t find elsewhere.
INTERVIEWER
How did you train?
FOYE
I did a lot of painting and sculpture. I made a lot of paintings of
skin diseases. I was abstracting skin diseases. I had had two knee
surgeries and I loved the colors that my body turned – the bruising
and all the yellows and purples.
INTERVIEWER
When did you begin to seek out installation work?
FOYE
I knew that I liked giving full experiences to people. For my thesis
exhibition, I remember thinking, “I want to create a spectacle.” I
didn’t know what, but I didn’t want my thesis to be something that,
when I left, people would forget about. Four hundred people turned
out. I couldn’t believe it. Where did these people come from? The
deans of the college were there — people who would never come out for
a show were there.
I hired two men who were true wrestlers, I had a time keeper and a
ref, I did everything completely to the sport. The only thing that
wasn’t true to the sport was the surface they were on – the clay
surface.
This kind of contextual slippage is very exciting to me; is what
happened in that gallery a sport or a performance, or is it both and
what does that mean?
I had bleacher seating brought into the gallery, which meant that my
audience was really close to the action. Most of the audience would
be laughing along — they were like, I can’t believe this is happening
in a gallery. But there were people in the audience who would storm
out and leave. They thought it was too violent. They didn’t like
that there were some people who came to the performance that were
truly there to support one of the athletes. And these guys were kind
of your stereotypical frat boys. They were there and they were really
loudly communicating support for their friends, and calling the moves
and being, like, Go go go! Like a true wrestling match, but in a
gallery setting. And the gallery people who came were like, I can’t
handle this. So it was great! I loved it. I loved that there was
this ebb and flow.
And it was amazing in terms of the performance. Now, the piece that
came from it – the surface of the clay was so beat up – there was so
much activity from six minutes of fighting that it just looks like
waves. It’s a floor piece – it’s like a map, I call it – it’s 12
feet in diameter, a circle. It just looks like a choppy surface.
The thing that becomes the most successful about the clay is that the
clay captures motion. So, say, a motion — you put your hands into the
clay and you drag with your hands into the clay – it’s going to show
the linear movement — the initial imprint plus the dragging motion –
like streaks. So it becomes like this cartoonish visualization of
action based on whatever the component of the material is that I’m
pouring into the clay after the event is over.
The thing I continue to struggle with in all of this work is where I
can find a piece that is as successful as the performance it came
from.
As a result of that piece, I had a bunch of galleries call me and say,
Would you want to come do another one for us? So I did a fencing
piece. That was very interesting. I did a kung-fu sensei street
fight, which I had higher expectations of. It was too choreographed.
And that’s a type of fight style that I didn’t know well enough, but I
knew the performers, starting off. I sort of collect people.

The first piece with a single performer was done for the College of
Santa Fe in New Mexico. Up until then, it had only been the
two-person fights. That project became much more about site
specificity. I lucked out in finding a tribal dancer from a tribe in
New Mexico, and she danced on clay that was mined in Santa Fe. And
she was amazing. She got what I was doing extremely well. And the
type of dance that she did, in the end, sort of looked like this
amazing mandala. She did two different types of dancing around the
circular diameter — at first she had these crisscrossed dance steps,
and then the second dance was a pattern of all these little taps. It
made an amazing pattern and I couldn’t afford to cast the whole clay
floor from that event — I could only make a small section — and it
was so sad. I think this, by far, of any of the pieces that I’ve made,
truly reflected what my agenda has been — which is somewhat studying
the marks we leave in the world, and somewhat analyzing what the
placement of that mark signifies.
INTERVIEWER
Do you actually direct during the performances?
FOYE
People ask, Are you a sculptor or are you a performance person? Well,
I don’t perform. I hire performers. If anything, I take on the role
of director. A certain curator has written about my work saying that
she loves that I — being a woman — am telling men how to perform
these very masculine activities.
INTERVIEWER
Is that a novelty that she said that of you, or something more profound?
FOYE
No, I kind of like it. I have to admit, to tell these two wrestlers
to hump each other essentially was something that could only be
accepted in society in the context of art. I like the certain
sexuality that I was able to produce. If you put certain sports
outside their context, it looks a lot different than just sport. It
looks like violent sexual actions that come through in the
performances. Thats where the curator who was writing about my work
got really excited. She was like, Look at what this woman is doing,
she’s taking on this new role.
INTERVIEWER
Are you interested in traces of time — like, This is the handprint he
left on the banister to the gallows — or is this a palimpsest of sex
and sport? Is this a record or a jumble?
FOYE
Right now it’s a jumble. Right now it doesn’t have an agenda that’s
super specific. It’s kind of an inundation of all these things in my
head. Someone said to me, There’s a lot to write about in your work –
and I don’t know if that’s a good thing. I want there to be a
mystery. I don’t want to handhold anyone. I came from an interest in
being an abstract painter. So I think from an aesthetic standpoint,
I’ve done that.
To go back – I can’t say that I don’t think about Matthew Barney. He’s
someone that a lot of people think about. People will inevitably
respond to me and say, You’re so Matthew Barney. And it’s just
because I’m using rubber, really.
I can’t do certain things now without being referenced to him. I’m
not thinking about how I can be like him. I’m just being aware of
him.
INTERVIEWER
His working methods inform what you’re doing but does his work and his
intention speak to you too?
FOYE
No. I mean, he’s dealing with masculinity. Masculine issues. But I
haven’t really thought of it that way. Maybe I am following in a
direction of his. Bt there’s a danger because he’s done so much in so
many different areas. Like, I did a piece with the Goodyear Blimp,
where the blimp came in and plopped on a piece of clay for me. And I
intentionally sought out the Goodyear Blimp because he had done it in
one of his Cremaster pieces. And I was just asked if I’d like to have
my sumo piece performed at the Colosseum, and I was like, Oh my god,
yes. Now I’ll have done a piece in a stadium as well as with a blimp
– and I can truly start going, Mr. Barney, here’s a nod to you.
Because he’s also taking signifiers in the same way I am, but his are
kind of going in a different direction.
The next step is to go three-dimensional. I want to talk about the
same vocabulary of mark-making in the world but in a much more
three-dimensional way. I have a cast of a saddle that a woman rode
bareback and there’s a very, very subtle labia impression in the
rubber that you have to really be looking for. I also want to cast
boxing gloves. I want to make the glove out of florist’s foam and
cast the impression after a single hit to the face.
INTERVIEWER
What is your ideal response? What do you want someone to say to you
at the opening?
FOYE
There was a recent interview in ArtForum — a conversation between Ed
Ruscha and David Hickey, and they were asked how they know when art is
successful. When do you know when you see something good? And the
consensus was, when you approach a piece and you go Huh and then you
go Wow, they would much prefer that than someone saying Wow then Huh.
Can we get people to question? Can we get people to stare at it for a
little bit and try to work with it? I hope my work produces a Huh
moment, but then also a Wow.
Images of Foye’s work can be found online at jocelynart.com